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WiCkEDrOcKS
Broadway Legend
joined:6/13/04
Has anyone seen BELLEVILLE yet?
Posted: 3/5/13 at 06:49pm
I love Amy Herzog's plays and am really interested in the buzz on this one. I did a search, but couldn't find anything. Has anyone seen it? What'd you think??
April Saul
Broadway Legend
joined:2/17/06
Has anyone seen BELLEVILLE yet?
Posted: 3/5/13 at 06:54pm
If you go this Sunday afternoon, I'll be your usher

Will post afterward....
macnyc
Broadway Star
joined:7/26/08
Has anyone seen BELLEVILLE yet?
Posted: 3/6/13 at 05:56am
It's odd because there was a previous thread, but I can't find it either. I really disliked this play. It was totally implausible, with a huge plot hole that swallows the whole thing up. The ending is unsatisfying. The only redeeming aspect for me was the performances, which were terrific and riveting, especially in such a small theater.
themysteriousgrowl
Broadway Legend
joined:11/10/10
Has anyone seen BELLEVILLE yet?
Posted: 3/6/13 at 07:25am

mac, can you post the plot hole that undoes the show with a SPOILER tag? I’m curious to hear what you have to say, as I didn’t catch anything that big. Or PM it to me?

I thought it was an excellent play. It takes a long time getting where it’s going, but that time is necessary. It’s a slow burn moving towards a big explosion. It’s difficult to discuss the plot without giving too much away because, though it doesn’t seem like it for the first hour and 15 minutes, ultimately it’s a sort of psychological thriller, and I found its payoffs very rewarding, as well as the way it toys with the conventions of the genre. Maria Dizzia and Greg Keller are terrific as the central couple slowly unraveling in the face of not One Big Secret, as is often the way in these plays, but the accumulation of many little secrets and dishonesties. The leading characters’ psychologies are very complex and sparked a couple of good post-show discussions the night I saw it.

The only Herzog play I’ve missed so far is 4000 MILES, and, continuing to love her work, I’m kicking myself tenfold for that.

macnyc
Broadway Star
joined:7/26/08
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Posted: 3/6/13 at 08:22am
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Supposedly, he attended medical school for one year and flunked out, but he managed to convince her that he's doing well and completed his studies? How clueless would she have to be to fall for that? To never speak to her in-laws about it either?

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themysteriousgrowl
Broadway Legend
joined:11/10/10
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Posted: 3/6/13 at 08:40am

Oh. Hmm… okay. That’s not a “plot hole,” though. It certainly raises questions about how complex his web of deceit has grown and the possibility of her willingness to self-delude. You don’t accept the given circumstances because you don’t find veracity in them – and that’s cool, totally fair – but it’s not a “plot hole.”
After Eight
Broadway Legend
joined:6/5/09
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Posted: 3/6/13 at 08:42am
An awful play. Another absolutely awful play by a critics' darling.

Since the search feature seems to have developed a black hole into which the original thread on this show has fallen, I'll paste what I said there:

Endlessly talky, muddled, dramatically leaden, annoying, exasperating characters, implausibilities, a protracted, unnecessary final scene...

As one character states near the end of this miserable evening.... "incroyable!"

Boy, did she ever speak the truth.
themysteriousgrowl
Broadway Legend
joined:11/10/10
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Posted: 3/6/13 at 08:47am

You literally have the worst taste in theater I've ever encountered in my life.
After Eight
Broadway Legend
joined:6/5/09
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Posted: 3/6/13 at 09:03am
Oh, and I forgot to mention, in case you're planning to go:

Aside from being all the horrible things I stated above, it is definitely not for the squeamish.

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The audience is afflicted with the sight of a seriously disturbed woman trying to cut off her toe nail with a huge kitchen knife.

Yep. Just one of the delights awaiting unsuspecting audiences in this truly ghastly play.


themysteriousgrowl
Broadway Legend
joined:11/10/10
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Posted: 3/6/13 at 09:07am

Guys, I found this picture of After Eight --

STOP MOVING!

TotallyEffed
Leading Actor
joined:3/29/07
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Posted: 3/6/13 at 10:14am
The play is not good. The characters speak in ways I have never heard human beings speak and they also happen to be wildly unlikable. Incredibly unrealistic. Some may justify the characters as being "complex" but I just found them to be confusing and stupid. The play has some well acted moments, but feels very long, especially with no intermission.

As After Eight mentioned, there is a "Black Swan" moment where I finally thought the claims of the play being a "thriller" would really take off and the plot would start exploding. Sadly, this never happened. The play fizzles off into more unrealistic and boring nothingness. There were no discussions among friends when we left, except one question: Why??
macnyc
Broadway Star
joined:7/26/08
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Posted: 3/6/13 at 11:25am
I agree with After Eight on this one 100 percent.

And the ending was really unsatisfying.



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I figured that he's dead, although we don't see it, but is she dead too? Or did her father fly to Paris to rescue her? And the final scene is...in French? Come on!

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kidmanboy
Featured Actor
joined:5/10/04
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Posted: 3/6/13 at 01:09pm
I saw it about two weeks ago and am still haunted by these characters and the all-too-realistic way their relationship unravels...only a few minor events can separate a functional couple from a severely dysfunctional one.
I've heard a few people now refer to Amy Herzog's dialogue as unrealistic, which completely baffles me. Having seen 3 of the 4 Herzog plays produced off-broadway, I find her scene writing to be some of the most realistic I've ever encountered. And the way she sequences and shapes these realistic conversations into fleshed out characters and plot is, to me, nothing short of brilliant.
macnyc
Broadway Star
joined:7/26/08
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Posted: 3/6/13 at 02:52pm
Kidmanboy, what was your reaction to the ending? Did you find it a satisfying conclusion?

Another problem I had with the play is that the character of the husband is very vaguely written, and I couldn't figure out what makes him tick. What is there in his background or upbringing or makeup that would cause him to behave that way? In the case of the wife, she's grieving for her mother and is homesick, so I didn't have as much of a problem with her.
After Eight
Broadway Legend
joined:6/5/09
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Posted: 3/6/13 at 08:59pm
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"And the final scene is...in French? Come on! "

Yes, that final scene was a real corker, truly one for the books. The French bit was priceless. I love how the author tried to solve the problem of the audience's lack of understanding of French by having the characters converse with an absolute minimum of words, and those that the audience might be able to decipher, like "désolé," "incroyable!," "ce n'est pas une catastrophe." The scene, entirely unnecessary, was beyond ridiculous.

A fitting end, I guess, to a dreadful play.
theaterkid1015
Broadway Legend
joined:6/15/06
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Posted: 3/6/13 at 11:48pm
Seeing this Sunday afternoon (hi, April). Very intrigued. Ending the play seems to be something of a problem-I think this is the third major production of the play and also the third ending.
RippedMan
Broadway Legend
joined:8/14/05
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Posted: 3/7/13 at 12:02am
Since I won't get a chance to see it, will someone please ruin it for me?

I found her other plays pretty awful. 4,000 was such a bore.



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