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The Lion Doesn't Sleep Tonight

Phantom of London
Broadway Legend
joined:3/26/08
The Lion Doesn't Sleep Tonight
Posted: 11/22/12 at 12:18pm
The Lion King doesn't rely on personalities, but relies on excellent athletic actors, but the show doesn't really need names to sell tickets.

So saying that what is to stop The Lion King King employing more Swings, this would ensure that cast members would only do 8 shows a week but would alternate, this would enable the show to do a extra 2 shows a week, therefore doing 10 shows a week. Would this be possible?
2013 Shows: (New York: Glengarry Glen Ross*** Picnic**** The Lion King**** Mamma Mia**** Who's Afraid of Virginia Woofe**** The Other Place*** Nice Work, If You Can Get It** Annie**** The Phantom of the Opera**** Cat On A Hot Tin Roof*** Cinderella**** Evita**** (Final Performance) The Mystery of Edwin Drood*** Mary Poppins*****) London: Salad Days** Great Expectations*** This House** Chess**** A Chorus Line**** Quartermine's Terms**** Old Times*** The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night Time***** Dear World*** People**** Viva Forever** Peter and Alice** The Wimslow Boy***** Proof**** Our Country's Good* The Tailor Made Man**** Darling of the Day*** Top Hat*** A Judas Kiss*** Spamalot*** Once**** Wicked** A Chorus Line**** Book of Mormon***** Hairspray**** (Tour: Southampton) Sleeping Arrangements***** The Revenge of Sherlock Holmes*** The Pajama Game***(Chichester)The Thrill of Love*** Hymn**/Cocktail Sticks**** Merrily We Roll Along***** The Weir**** The Hot House**** The Rise and the Fall of the Little Voice***** (Churchill, Bromley) Ghost*** (Wimbledon) To Kill A Mockingbird*** (Open Air) Beautiful Thing*** The Phantom*** Charlie and the Chocolate Factory*** Relative Speaking**** Strange Interlude*** Passion Play*** The Rocky Horror Show***(Tour: Bromley) merrily Web Roll Along**** The Audience**** Travels With My Aunt**
broadwaydevil
Broadway Legend
joined:2/16/11
The Lion Doesn't Sleep Tonight
Posted: 11/22/12 at 12:53pm
No on many levels. Equity would never allow it. Exceptions are occasionally granted for shows to have special 9 performance weeks for holidays etc. but Equity would never approve a show to consistently have 10 shows per week. Plus, even if there are swings, etc. there would be no way to make this work without having some actors, crew, etc. consistently work more than 8 times per week.

From a cost perspective, this would be a tremendous financial burden to a show and would severely increase running costs. Also, when do you propose they add performances? Lion King is a hot ticket that makes a huge amount of money every week. Why dilute the product, increase costs tremendously, and take a huge risk on a show that's a huge cash cow?
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Phyllis Rogers Stone
Broadway Legend
joined:9/16/07
The Lion Doesn't Sleep Tonight
Posted: 11/22/12 at 01:35pm
Also, swings and alternates are two different things.
Phantom of London
Broadway Legend
joined:3/26/08
The Lion Doesn't Sleep Tonight
Posted: 11/22/12 at 06:06pm
Okay I could see this point being very controversial,which IMO makes it more interesting. I only could see The Lion King being the only show on Broadway being able to pull this off.

But in the past Disney has been anti union and are much bigger than Equity.

The Lion King could easily do a Friday matinee and a Saturday morning 11 am performance and I am positive the shows would sell out and pull in $400k - $500k a week.
2013 Shows: (New York: Glengarry Glen Ross*** Picnic**** The Lion King**** Mamma Mia**** Who's Afraid of Virginia Woofe**** The Other Place*** Nice Work, If You Can Get It** Annie**** The Phantom of the Opera**** Cat On A Hot Tin Roof*** Cinderella**** Evita**** (Final Performance) The Mystery of Edwin Drood*** Mary Poppins*****) London: Salad Days** Great Expectations*** This House** Chess**** A Chorus Line**** Quartermine's Terms**** Old Times*** The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night Time***** Dear World*** People**** Viva Forever** Peter and Alice** The Wimslow Boy***** Proof**** Our Country's Good* The Tailor Made Man**** Darling of the Day*** Top Hat*** A Judas Kiss*** Spamalot*** Once**** Wicked** A Chorus Line**** Book of Mormon***** Hairspray**** (Tour: Southampton) Sleeping Arrangements***** The Revenge of Sherlock Holmes*** The Pajama Game***(Chichester)The Thrill of Love*** Hymn**/Cocktail Sticks**** Merrily We Roll Along***** The Weir**** The Hot House**** The Rise and the Fall of the Little Voice***** (Churchill, Bromley) Ghost*** (Wimbledon) To Kill A Mockingbird*** (Open Air) Beautiful Thing*** The Phantom*** Charlie and the Chocolate Factory*** Relative Speaking**** Strange Interlude*** Passion Play*** The Rocky Horror Show***(Tour: Bromley) merrily Web Roll Along**** The Audience**** Travels With My Aunt**
Yero my Hero
Broadway Legend
joined:3/27/05
The Lion Doesn't Sleep Tonight
Posted: 11/22/12 at 06:47pm
It's not just Equity, it's all the unions. Disney would have to either pay every single crew member and musician overtime, which would be a huge expense, or hire a second person for every single position behind the scenes. If Disney decided to override the unions and just do this, eery single union member in that theater would strike. Theatrical unions tend to back each other up.

You're talking about basically paying to run an entire second show, for only two extra performances worth of income. Based on last week's Grosses, the potential income per performance is only $200,000. It would cost more than that to pay everyone for an extra show.

Finally, Disney won't add additional performances for the same reason THE BOOK OF MORMON won't move to a larger theater. If you have fewer seats available to sell, it creates more demand.

It's not "controversial," it's just not good business sense and it would never happen.

As a side note, when GRINCH played Broadway, they worked out a nine-performance schedule with the unions, but that was a very short run over the holidays, and a 90-minute show, so an extra performance or two wouldn't be that much more time.
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GavestonPS
Broadway Legend
joined:6/10/12
The Lion Doesn't Sleep Tonight
Posted: 11/22/12 at 07:15pm
Bottom line: you're talking about doubling the payroll costs while increasing the potential gross by 25%. (And not just payroll. The theater rental and artist royalties are based on percentage of gross, so those would increase as well.)

It would seem to make more sense (if indeed the demand is sufficient) to add a second company at a different theater. That way you could double your potential gross as well as doubling your payroll costs. (Multiplexes do this with movies all the time.)

But you might just end up shortening the run of the show, selling tix now at the expense of selling tix in the future.
Phantom of London
Broadway Legend
joined:3/26/08
The Lion Doesn't Sleep Tonight
Posted: 11/22/12 at 07:30pm
I don't think you would need to employ a extra cast to cover another full production, that wouldn't be viable, for the extra performances you would need 8-10 extra performers (swings) and a extra stage manager, 2 stage hands and a wardrobe assistant, as I said you are still employing your personnel to do 8 shows a week, so you can spread the days off through all the other performances. It is a easy show to duplicate roles. There already is a lot of duplication on stage and back stage as the show needs a lot of extra people to cover every eventuality, than risk a performance cancellation.

So therefore adding 15/20% to the wage bill, also employing extra staff, so the unions should be happy as there members are being employed.

For the record Grinch played up to to 15 performances a week.

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Updated On: 11/22/12 at 07:30 PM
bdn223
Broadway Star
joined:6/14/08
The Lion Doesn't Sleep Tonight
Posted: 11/22/12 at 07:43pm
Grinch also double cast all the non-principal roles as well as it was a limited run that had made special arrangements with the unions to enable the 15 performances a week for 2 weeks.
dramamama611
Broadway Legend
joined:12/4/07
The Lion Doesn't Sleep Tonight
Posted: 11/22/12 at 07:47pm
Even if your scenario made sense, what happens when you need a swing to actually cover for someone that is sick or on vacation? It would throw off your numbers.

Frankly, if it could work for one show, it could work for others as well == but this won't happen, and it' shouldn't.
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Phantom of London
Broadway Legend
joined:3/26/08
The Lion Doesn't Sleep Tonight
Posted: 11/22/12 at 07:54pm
What does the show do now if someone is sick or on vacation?
2013 Shows: (New York: Glengarry Glen Ross*** Picnic**** The Lion King**** Mamma Mia**** Who's Afraid of Virginia Woofe**** The Other Place*** Nice Work, If You Can Get It** Annie**** The Phantom of the Opera**** Cat On A Hot Tin Roof*** Cinderella**** Evita**** (Final Performance) The Mystery of Edwin Drood*** Mary Poppins*****) London: Salad Days** Great Expectations*** This House** Chess**** A Chorus Line**** Quartermine's Terms**** Old Times*** The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night Time***** Dear World*** People**** Viva Forever** Peter and Alice** The Wimslow Boy***** Proof**** Our Country's Good* The Tailor Made Man**** Darling of the Day*** Top Hat*** A Judas Kiss*** Spamalot*** Once**** Wicked** A Chorus Line**** Book of Mormon***** Hairspray**** (Tour: Southampton) Sleeping Arrangements***** The Revenge of Sherlock Holmes*** The Pajama Game***(Chichester)The Thrill of Love*** Hymn**/Cocktail Sticks**** Merrily We Roll Along***** The Weir**** The Hot House**** The Rise and the Fall of the Little Voice***** (Churchill, Bromley) Ghost*** (Wimbledon) To Kill A Mockingbird*** (Open Air) Beautiful Thing*** The Phantom*** Charlie and the Chocolate Factory*** Relative Speaking**** Strange Interlude*** Passion Play*** The Rocky Horror Show***(Tour: Bromley) merrily Web Roll Along**** The Audience**** Travels With My Aunt**
broadwaydevil
Broadway Legend
joined:2/16/11
The Lion Doesn't Sleep Tonight
Posted: 11/22/12 at 08:22pm
Have an understudy or swing like every show on Broadway but when you start scheduling swings into a performance (which, as someone pointed out above, makes them an alternate,) you've messed up the entire system. Not sure where you're getting this number of 8-10 swings from.

Bottom line: it doesn't make sense and it's not going to happen.
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