Posted by eperkins 2012-11-26 15:15:50
I don't know what their weekly expenses are, but the Scandalous weekly grosses surely must be well below their nut. Their highest gross so far - back in October - was $241,613. I wonder why they are keeping it running? They must be burning through whatever reserve they have. I'm glad for the actors though.How Is Scandalous Still Running?
Posted by Wynbish 2012-11-26 15:21:35
Kathie Lee's ka-ching ka-ching
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Posted by newintown 2012-11-26 15:21:48
I wouldn't be surprised if the 4square church was funneling cash into it.
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Posted by LYLS3637 2012-11-26 15:24:45
Never underestimate what fanatical, religious people will do (or finance) when they think it's "God's will"
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Posted by mybigsplash 2012-11-26 15:43:06
It's going to close Sunday.
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Posted by Quiche2 2012-11-26 15:45:22
^^
Source?
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Posted by evic 2012-11-26 15:59:29
Like other religeous institutions, they wouold rather flush all that money down the toilet rather than using it for a good cause. They probably think it is a great musical! I read on another site that Krazy Kathie Lee on her tv show, compared her ****fest to other musicals that got bad reviews like Les Miz and Camelot!
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Posted by americanboy99 2012-11-26 16:14:37
LOL so true at that thread title. It's a thought that crosses my mind every single day.
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Posted by eperkins 2012-11-26 16:24:19
And I'm not even talking about the lack of artistic merits. I just asking from a financial perspective!
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Posted by Rockyfan2000 2012-11-26 16:24:35
S.C.I.E.N.T.O.L.O.G.Y. Check out the David Pomeranz page on Wikipedia.
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Posted by uncageg 2012-11-26 17:00:50
Evic, she made the comparison tbis morning on her show. She seems to realize and have accepted the bad reviews. The "comparion" was just her and Hoda talking about other shows that goot bad reviews but did well.
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Posted by mybigsplash 2012-11-26 17:01:22
My source is 1 degree away from the production
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Posted by tazber 2012-11-26 17:37:26
God
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Posted by Rainbowhigh23 2012-11-26 17:39:15
"The trouble with trouble is you don't know you in trouble till you in trouble." Roz from Amen.
I hope the show don't close. I got tickets for December 7!!
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Posted by CurtainPullDowner 2012-11-26 17:42:03
I don't think Drunkie Lee got so rich by being stupid enough to invest in her own show. That's Taboo, right?
But talking a church out of some loaves,she'd be good at that.
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Posted by tazber 2012-11-26 17:42:28
12 shows made over $1,000,000.00 last week.
Then there's this:
Meanwhile, turkey time had a very different meaning for the producers of Scandalous, the new musical biography of Aimee Semple McPherson with book and lyrics by Kathie Lee Gifford. In its first full week since its Nov. 15 opening, the show scraped up a thin gruel of $194,511, less than 16 percent of its potential gross, and played to houses that were only 30.6 percent full. Even a presidential pardon is unlikely to save this one.
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Posted by muscle23ftl 2012-11-26 18:16:33
She should've researched how god-themed musicals do on Broadway, before spending her time, money or someone else's money into this mess. Sister Act, Godspell, Leap of Faith, Jesus Christ Superstar...all flopped last year! Duhhh.
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Posted by Mr Roxy 2012-11-26 18:40:19
Hopefully Carmellos performance will be remembered @Tony time.
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Posted by DAME 2012-11-26 18:42:13
For her sake I hope it is totally forgotten.
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Posted by CATSNYrevival 2012-11-26 18:52:55
I disagree. I think Carolee Carmello's performance in this should be remembered despite the poor reception the show received. I still think Kathie Lee may fund a cast recording herself. She produced the cast recording for her last musical.
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Posted by tazber 2012-11-26 19:11:27
They made a recording of Under the Bridge?
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Posted by Quiche2 2012-11-26 19:15:29
Knowing the $$$$ that Kathie Lee has, she will self-fund a cast recording. I'm 99.9% sure of that.
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Posted by jdrye222 2012-11-26 19:31:58
I can't imagine how they will not post closing notice tomorrow for Sunday of this week. Unless that FourSquare church really is crazy enough to funnel money in, and then I just feel bad for their parishioners who give money for crap like that (... actually wait, I already feel bad for their parishioners, but that's another story).
I would imagine Kathie Lee will fund a cast recording. I don't see this NOT getting an album.
However, I'm in the minority regarding Carolee - I think maybe with a better director and a better script (and a better sound designer), a performance could have been shaped here. But I found her exhausting to watch --- I don't fault her at all, but I don't think that a Tony nomination is warranted just for keeping the curtain up on a terrible show. Her performance has very little nuance, and the sound designer should be shot for the way he amplified her (already strident) voice to be literally painful to listen to.
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Posted by little_sally 2012-11-26 20:23:27
^ I agree about Carolee. I'm a big fan of hers (she's the only reason I saw the show) but the material is so bad, she's practically embarrassing herself on stage.
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Posted by jbm2 2012-11-26 22:24:17
KLG is not producing this show. She wrote it. She has not invested ANY money into this production and has no plans to, that includes funding the cast album.
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Posted by OSM_ 2012-11-26 22:42:49
Sister Act flopped ? Hmm...I thought it did pretty good. Word of mouth was pretty good as well, I mean that was the only reason why I saw it.
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Posted by WiCkEDrOcKS 2012-11-26 22:50:32
SISTER ACT ran a hell of a lot longer than the other "religious" musicals mentioned, but it didn't make its money back, so it is technically a "flop."
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Posted by Jordan Catalano 2012-11-26 22:55:50
SISTER ACT had name recognition. All this has is a poster that makes people think they're seeing a Snow White musical.
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Posted by goldenboy 2012-11-27 01:14:54
Although, I seem to be one of the few that liked it, it should be gone by the end of the week. They are losing a weekly fortune. It wouldn't make much business sense to keep it open.
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Posted by goldenboy 2012-11-27 01:24:15
and if they do keep it open.. somebody is laundering money.
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Posted by CATSNYrevival 2012-11-27 01:34:25
^I liked it too! The lyrics are definitely the weakest link of the book, music and lyric combo, but Carolee Carmello's performance and Edward Watt's "costumes" are very memorable.
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Posted by little_sally 2012-11-27 10:26:15
I hope someone does go see Scandalous thinking it's about Snow White.
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Posted by eperkins 2012-11-27 12:20:21
She may have started out as Snow White - but she drifted.
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Posted by nealb1 2012-11-27 12:30:51
I saw the show on Wednesday night, and the Orchestra probably had 200 people in it. And, it wasn't up on the TKTS board that night either. I would have assumed it would have been on the boards since the house was so empty.
CC was brilliant, as she always is.
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Posted by Rainbowhigh23 2012-11-27 12:45:39
As if we didn't know this from this thread already!
See link below. Thanks for fixing the link
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Posted by macnyc 2012-11-27 12:52:38
Here's the link:
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/dailymusto/2012/11/kathie_lees_sho.php#more
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Posted by BroadwayJoe3 2012-11-27 18:06:03
Hey.....mybigsplash....I just hope that your "source" "1 degree away from the production" gives you a few stock tips too. It never fails to amaze me how many people love to be the bearer of supposedly bad news.
But don't worry, I am sure there will be some play in the future that you "might" get a call back from after your audition.
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Posted by songanddanceman2 2012-11-27 18:19:52
Why is someone posting on here something they have heard from a friend a bad thing? This is a theatre chat board right where people gossip and speculate all the time
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Posted by Carol6 2012-11-27 19:03:55
It's a "bad thing" when they do not state it as an opinion or a speculation. Scandalous is not closing on Sunday. They claimed on more than one thread that they knew it was closing Sunday because they heard it from someone "1 degree from production". Opinions are one thing, declarations of superior knowledge are another. I imagine they'll come up with the following week next. Mybigsplash is amazing!
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Posted by Mercades 2012-11-27 19:47:10
^ this.
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Posted by Phantom of London 2012-11-27 19:47:30
They have to find out it's closing someway, the cast would know the gross and when they see only 200 people in the orchestra they know the game is up.
Plus reading rumors on the internet you can always discount as not being true. A week ago a poster said that a announcement was imminent on the premature demise of Spiderman, guess what no announcement was made.
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Posted by songanddanceman2 2012-11-27 19:48:42
Well lets see if it does close first of all shall we, it is only Tuesday. Also if it does not post soon then im sorry but the producers are insane, this show is DOA
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Posted by eperkins 2012-11-29 10:05:13
I wonder if they are keeping this running so that the Tony voters can all see it. Not that I think that's a good idea.
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Posted by loliveve 2012-11-29 10:56:02
^ I've wondered the same thing about the Tony voters. But it does appear they are trying to keep it open longer, and not going down without a fight. The "buy-one-get-one-free" (or 1 ticket for 50% off) discount is back.
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Posted by eperkins 2012-11-29 11:11:11
I still wonder why they keep it running at such a loss. It's not as if the houses are improving. There can't be much of an advance. Again, I'm happy for the actors.
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Posted by elimeyer 2012-11-29 11:13:01
Really? Sister Act did QUITE well as did Godspell
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Posted by WiCkEDrOcKS 2012-11-29 11:37:38
No they didn't. They ran for a while, yes. But they lost money doing so. So they did not do well. They did not make any profit.
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Posted by Auggie27 2012-11-29 11:49:59
I believe the length of the New York run impacts subsidiary rights and royalty participation for the initial production team. It did in the old days. If so, they likely imagine this show a popular piece with community theaters and church groups, and want to maximimize financial involvement.
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Posted by NewYorkTheater 2012-11-29 11:53:33
Patrick Healy gives the answer to the question of this thread in a new artsbeat post:
Short answer: The multimillionaire investors have been willing to cover the losses.
Longer:
"The reason? Its creator, the Today show host Kathie Lee Gifford, and two of the lead producers Dick and Betsy DeVos, multimillionaires from their Amway family fortune have been determined to keep Scandalous running in hopes that the musical will somehow rebound at the box office. While Ms. Gifford has not put her own money into the show to keep it afloat, the DeVoses agreed this week to cover the shows financial losses for now, according to two executives involved with the show, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss private business matters.....While the two executives involved with Scandalous predicted that the show would announce a closing date next week unless there was a box office miracle, the executives also held out the possibility that the DeVoses may end up covering losses out of their deep pockets in hopes of finding a bigger audience among Christmas-season tourists."
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Posted by eperkins 2012-11-29 12:11:56
"It's not good, but it's a reason."
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Posted by Mildred Plotka 2012-11-29 12:17:37
The Republican producers founded Amway? This just keeps getting better!
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Posted by newintown 2012-11-29 12:18:17
"...they likely imagine this show a popular piece with community theaters and church groups..."
I pity any community theatre actress that has to try to do that role...
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Posted by bobs3 2012-11-29 13:01:23
Some of these Broadway producers are so incredibly wealthy and fall in love with their shows despite the reviews and grosses. They are willing to pump more money into the shows to keep them running at a loss. Also, any losses are a tax deduction. Producer Chase Mishkin kept pumping money into "Urban Cowboy" for weeks to keep it open because she fell in love with the show and the cast.
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Posted by Marianne2 2012-11-29 13:02:28
Not wishing it ill or anything, but after last week's grosses and seats sold, I'm surprised they are throwing more money into it. I mean, if you have over 1000 seats to sell each night, and you are only averaging about 350 per performance, I think it's time to pull the plug. Granted, that was only last week. Should be interesting to see what happens.
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Posted by Phillytheatreguy10 2012-11-29 13:32:12
It baffles me, source material aside, that with kind reviews and a recognizeable cast, The Performers had no advance, and posted closing notices less than a week after opening, but this show remains a draw- I agree producers, cut your loses, no ill will to the actors, never want to see anyone jobless!
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Posted by yankeefan7 2012-11-29 13:34:54
Will they even attempt to put this show on the road with touring company. Not everything that tours is a Broadway hit so just wondering if Kathy Lee would think this show might do better outside NY.
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Posted by ACL2006 2012-11-29 16:09:19
These producers just may keep pumping money into this just to keep it open for the holidays. and why this show isn't always at TKTS or there's no solid discounts available right now(since it opened) is beyond me. (NOTE: there's a discount available for $86 orch/$61 & $52 mezz, but's it's only valid through Dec. 16 on select dates) - WTF!?!?!
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Posted by newintown 2012-11-29 16:19:56
Wait - it's not on TKTS?
They must want the house to be empty...
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Posted by eperkins 2012-11-29 16:34:27
It's showing up on my TKTS app as on the board for this evening and shows as being up "frequently."
Also, it's always on TDF.
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Posted by ACL2006 2012-11-29 16:38:29
during last week(Thanksgiving week), it was reported that Scandalous wasn't on TKTS for its Wednesday evening, Friday matinee or Saturday evening shows.
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Posted by wonkit 2012-11-29 17:08:34
Doesn't the theater have a right to pull the plug if the box office is really bad?
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Posted by AEA AGMA SM 2012-11-29 17:15:21
They can exercise the stop clause, but unless there is another show ready and waiting to go in there isn't much point in doing so.
